Ubuntu 5.10 annoyances, as seen by Sun JDS R2 user

Hi there,

I'm trying Ubuntu 5.10, after a brief play with 5.04 some months ago.

Here's my top-ten list of annoyances:

#1) BASIC packages not installed. Like... gcc, configure, automake and autoconf. DOZENS of software apps depend on these components to be available in order to be built.

#2) NO PINE, NO PICO. WTF?. I realize there's mutt, but still, a distro that doesn't include PINE and PICO is not a distro I'm interested in using. Sheesh, even ancient Suse 8.2 (the first Linux distro I used) included PINE/PICO. SAME WITH 'joe' (text editor).

#3) What's with the BROWN color scheme? It sucks!.

#4) That "drums" sound scheme... again... nice for the first 30 minutes. Then the drums playing with every event makes my brain hurt.

#5) WHAT? No Sun J2RE 5.0 update 6 installed? WTF? what gives?. And no, I don't consider Blackdown 1.4.2 ancient releases of the GNU catch-up releases to be serious. Maybe when the Apache Foundation releases a compatible JVM...

#6) No Flash plug-in pre-installed in the browser?. WTF?

#7) Terminal is hidden 3 levels deep under Applications -> Accesories -> Terminal. HELLO? This is linux, terminal is used ALL THE FREAKING TIME!. Why not place a shortcut next to the 3 app icons for Firefox-Evolution-Help.

#8) DEFAULT FONTS (at least on my 1280x800 WXGA notebook) are TOO TINY!. I can barely read tiny text on the web browser. WTF set this up?.

#9) Font smoothing DISABLED by default.

#10) No GUI FTP program. How much space would a graphical ftp client take? .Notice firefox doesn't allow to upload files by ftp. UNLIKE THE MOZILLA SUITE, which does. (File->upload file... while logged in via ftp://user:pass@host url).

#11) Did I mention the lack of Sun's J2RE 5.0 ?

#12) Synaptic package manager. Good idea. BAD IMPLEMENTATION. edit a config file by hand to enable a popular third party site? WHY NOT INCLUDE CHECKBOXES?. I think I messed up the config file because now synaptic fails to retrieve anything. And I'm too damn tired to look at the file, specially since there's no pico or joe editor.

13) There's a decent Adobe Reader 7.01 for linux. For some reason it fails to install. Shame on ubuntu. It's not included by default on the distro. Double shame.

14) SeaMonkey 1.0 beta (the successor to the Mozilla Suite now dropped by Mozilla.org) fails to install. Shame, shame.

Well, that's it. Don't take it personally, I need sleep and I'm annoyed by having to fiddle for hours with Ubuntu just to get decent functionality.

Don't get me wrong... there's plenty of things to like about Ubuntu, but I think that these issues need to be addressed.

FC

Ubuntu 5.10

Well all I can say is that your lucky. I cant get the Ubuntu 5.10 CD to load on my computer. It appears that the CD cant be read by Win XP Pro sp2 or Wins malware/BIOS is stopping it from loading.

James

I wouldn't call that lucky :)

The CD can't be read? Maybe there's some incompatibility issue with your CDROM drive and the CDROM itself? Do you have another CDROM drive to find out what the problem is? Or another Ubuntu CD?

Generally said the computer must be able to boot CDROMs (what most computers do nowadays). Have you configured your BIOS to boot from CDROM (prior to booting from hard disk)?

Normally Windows or the BIOS can't stop the Ubuntu CD from booting, so it shouldn't really be that big problem.

Fixes for all the annoyances

1. sudo apt-get install build-essential

2. If you insist on having redundant packages, those are all able to be installed. See apt[1]

3. System -> Preferences -> Theme choose or install any you like

4. System -> Preferences -> Sound

5. Tell sun to make the license compatible with Free software and you'll get it with a free distro. IIRC WindowsXP doesn't come with it either, only a few commercial distros include it as a "value added" proposition. In any case, look at java-package and it is dead simple to install yourself, as is the norm with Linux and Windows.

6. Again, please read the license for that plugin and see why it can't be installed in a free distro attempting to actually honor licenses instead of ignoring them as others do.

7. Because with most of the Ubuntu tools, you really shouldn't need the terminal. Also, a new user wouldn't even know what to do with it so why put it where it could lead to confusion instead of where an experienced user can easily find it?

8. IIRC the default fonts are set from GNOME. Yes the distro could customize them, but they are reasonable for what the overwhelming majority of users run, 1024x768. Again, very easily changed to fit your setup. If the defaults were larger, you would be happy and most of us would be complaining about them being too large. If you were a developer, which would you choose?

9. Haven't seen that behavior on any install I have done so I can't comment. Maybe you just had a hiccup in your install?

10. Approx 1116kb for gftp and dependencies according to my apt cache. Again though, there is nothing stopping it from being installed.

11. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html <-please read and then consider the mission and ethics of Ubuntu and Debian and you will answer this question yourself

12. Not including checkboxes to third party repos that provide what may be illegal software in some countries is intentional to protect Ubuntu/Canonical from liability. You want a checkbox, write your senator or congressman and ask them why playing DVDs on your Linux machine has to be done illegally if you want to use them at all. And if you wanted pico or joe, just install the thing. Or maybe take the opportunity to learn Vi or Vim so you are assured of always having access to an editor you know on any *nix system.

13. So Ubuntu is at fault because Adobe's bloated, spyware infected product won't install. try evince, you'll be much happier. Again why is it not included, open your copy of Acrobat Reader and read the license; it can be redistributed freely (but isn't Free; strike 1), but you cannot modify the installer in any way without violating the license (strike 2; can't be debianized legally), and the "phone-home" feaure is just unacceptable on any system (strike3; yes some have split the phone home from the rest of the app, but that again violates strike2).

14. Again, this would be an issue with the upstream team (SeaMonkey), not ubuntu. Unless you're suggesting that Ubuntu must support every app ever created for Linux. If thats the case, then you should probably jump in and start helping.

I'm not saying any of this in a distrespectful way by any means, so please do not take it as such. I'm merely stating some of the reasons for why things are as they are. I agree it would be great to have 100% of everything you need ready to go upon install. But, unfortunately, if you care and follow software licenses, the DFSG, etc. some of it is impossible. I know many distros push ahead, assuming or hoping that they won't be sued into oblivion, but to me (and Ubuntu/Debian) that is the wrong approach.

Perhaps you could take some time to try some of the Free replacements for things like Acrocrap reader. Learn to build you own Java using Java-package, and learn to do things the Debian, errr, Ubuntu Way. IIRC there is also an app called EasyUbuntu or something that will install 99% of your missing pieces for you with a simple script.

The point is, try to understand *why* things are they way they are and it all makes sense. Give it a chance and work the way the distro (whichever one it may be) intended; I'll bet you will be much happier and also gain much knowledge.

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Ok, I guess there is a max

Ok, I guess there is a max character limit on replies, eh?..lol The rest is continued below:
11. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html - please read and then consider the mission and ethics of Ubuntu and Debian and you will answer this question yourself

12. Not including checkboxes to third party repos that provide what may be illegal software in some countries is intentional to protect Ubuntu/Canonical, and the end user from liability. You want a checkbox, write your senator or congressman and ask them why playing DVDs on your Linux machine has to be done illegally if you want to use them at all. And if you wanted pico or joe, just install the thing. Or maybe take the opportunity to learn Vi or Vim so you are assured of always having access to an editor you know on any *nix system.

13. So Ubuntu is at fault because Adobe's bloated, spyware infected product won't install. try evince, you'll be much happier. Again why is it not included, open your copy of Acrobat Reader and read the license; it can be redistributed freely (but isn't Free; strike 1), but you cannot modify the installer in any way without violating the license (strike 2; can't be debianized legally), and the "phone-home" feaure is just unacceptable on any system (strike3; yes some have split the phone home from the rest of the app, but that again violates strike2).

14. Again, this would be an issue with the upstream team (SeaMonkey), not ubuntu. Unless you're suggesting that Ubuntu must support every app ever created for Linux. If thats the case, then you should probably jump in and start helping.

I'm not saying any of this in a distrespectful way by any means, so please do not take it as such. I'm merely stating some of the reasons for why things are as they are. I agree it would be great to have 100% of everything you need ready to go upon install. But, unfortunately, if you care and follow software licenses, the DFSG, etc. some of it is impossible. I know many distros push ahead, assuming or hoping that they won't be sued into oblivion, but to me (and Ubuntu/Debian) that is the wrong approach.

Perhaps you could take some time to try some of the Free replacements for things like Acrocrap reader. Learn to build you own Java using Java-package, and learn to do things the Debian, errr, Ubuntu Way. IIRC there is also an app called EasyUbuntu or something that will install 99% of your missing pieces for you with a simple script.

The point is, try to understand *why* things are they way they are and it all makes sense. Give it a chance and work the way the distro (whichever one it may be) intended; I'll bet you will be much happier and also gain much knowledge.

DebCentral Online community for Debian and derivative distros

Ubuntu 5.10 annoyances, as seen by Sun JDS R2 use

WOW, did we all enjoy that!!
Ref item 3, if you dont like it change it.
item 4 turn it bloody off then.
item 7 need a short cut ? create one.

Lets have some constructive comments and a small amount of support for a distro that makes using Linux possible to the vast amount of Windows users looking for an alternative to the crap they are used to.